Comments on: Must. Post. http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/ you are LOST in a maze of twisty little passges, all the same... Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:11:54 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Lou Martuneac http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-230 Lou Martuneac Sat, 25 Nov 2006 00:26:38 +0000 http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-230 Yes, Google search. I do the search routinely to find where, who and how people are reacting to my book. That is all. LM Yes, Google search. I do the search routinely to find where, who and how people are reacting to my book.

That is all.

LM

]]> By: Jon http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-229 Jon Fri, 24 Nov 2006 18:27:00 +0000 http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-229 Good luck on your book Lou. I do wonder how you happened upon my blog, it is a fairly thin crowd, and all I can figure is you found me by googling your name and then browsing to page 3. Not that there is anything wrong with that, except to get one more link to your book. The issue is pretty well settled in my mind, and the differences that I read in the comments is the two parties talking past each other. My view is that it takes a miracle to get people to the point where they are willing to believe, and then a continuing miracle to produce any good works in our walk of faith. The actuator of that is the Holy Spirit, and the distribution of that is the will of God. Beyond that we all just cherry pick versus to prove our own points. I'm sure you'll find broader discussion of this issue at other venues, and peace be with you on your quest. Jon. Good luck on your book Lou. I do wonder how you happened upon my blog, it is a fairly thin crowd, and all I can figure is you found me by googling your name and then browsing to page 3. Not that there is anything wrong with that, except to get one more link to your book.

The issue is pretty well settled in my mind, and the differences that I read in the comments is the two parties talking past each other. My view is that it takes a miracle to get people to the point where they are willing to believe, and then a continuing miracle to produce any good works in our walk of faith. The actuator of that is the Holy Spirit, and the distribution of that is the will of God. Beyond that we all just cherry pick versus to prove our own points. I’m sure you’ll find broader discussion of this issue at other venues, and peace be with you on your quest.

Jon.

]]> By: Lou Martuneac http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-228 Lou Martuneac Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:35:12 +0000 http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-228 The article at my blog which addresses the regeneration before faith issue is titled: Lordship's (<i>Out of Order</i>) Salvation The article at my blog which addresses the regeneration before faith issue is titled:
Lordship’s (Out of Order) Salvation

]]> By: Lou Martuneac http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-227 Lou Martuneac Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:32:39 +0000 http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-227 Sorry, had a typo in the link to my website. Sorry, had a typo in the link to my website.

]]> By: Lou Martuneac http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-226 Lou Martuneac Fri, 24 Nov 2006 01:31:55 +0000 http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-226 Sir: What you might have mentioned is that the comment you posted from me is in regard to the extra-biblical position that states regeneration must preced faith. That position is held by most and probably all Lordship advocates. Also very important to note that Nicodemus at that time of his visit to Jesus was an unsaved man. He was seeking answers, and Jesus told him how to be saved: One must believe in Him and everlasting life is the result of believing. There is much more than John 3:16 that shows the regen before faith position is absurd. Is it “look and live” or “live and look?” Is it “Look unto Me, and be ye saved” (Is. 45:22) or “Be ye saved, and look unto Me?” Is it “He that believeth on Me hath everlasting life” (John 6:47, cf. John 3:15, 16, 36; 5:24) or “He who hath everlasting life believeth on Me?” Did Paul say to the Philippian jailer “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved” (Acts 6:36) or “Thou shalt be saved, and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ?” Go to my blog, there is a brief, but helpful article I have there. Much more in my book. Thanks, LM www.indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com Sir:
What you might have mentioned is that the comment you posted from me is in regard to the extra-biblical position that states regeneration must preced faith. That position is held by most and probably all Lordship advocates.

Also very important to note that Nicodemus at that time of his visit to Jesus was an unsaved man. He was seeking answers, and Jesus told him how to be saved: One must believe in Him and everlasting life is the result of believing.
There is much more than John 3:16 that shows the regen before faith position is absurd.

Is it “look and live” or “live and look?” Is it “Look unto Me, and be ye saved” (Is. 45:22) or “Be ye saved, and look unto Me?” Is it “He that believeth on Me hath everlasting life” (John 6:47, cf. John 3:15, 16, 36; 5:24) or “He who hath everlasting life believeth on Me?” Did Paul say to the Philippian jailer “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved” (Acts 6:36) or “Thou shalt be saved, and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ?”

Go to my blog, there is a brief, but helpful article I have there. Much more in my book.
Thanks,
LM
http://www.indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com

]]> By: RoadKnight http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-225 RoadKnight Wed, 22 Nov 2006 04:56:08 +0000 http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-225 Just wanted to let you know I did a post about this subject. Your two posts on it got me to thinking about it and, well, I guess I was inspired. I did give you credit for that inspiration. ;-) Just wanted to let you know I did a post about this subject. Your two posts on it got me to thinking about it and, well, I guess I was inspired.

I did give you credit for that inspiration. ;-)

]]> By: RoadKnight http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-223 RoadKnight Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:02:53 +0000 http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-223 And by the way, thank you very much for forwarding my issue to the Pastor. I took what he said into consideration, did some more research into the subject, and prayed a lot about it. I have decided to stay with the Seminary I'm enrolled in now. I may decide to go a different direction with my BA and MA, but for now I'll stay where I am. Thank you for all your help in that matter, Jon. God Bless you. And by the way, thank you very much for forwarding my issue to the Pastor. I took what he said into consideration, did some more research into the subject, and prayed a lot about it. I have decided to stay with the Seminary I’m enrolled in now. I may decide to go a different direction with my BA and MA, but for now I’ll stay where I am.

Thank you for all your help in that matter, Jon. God Bless you.

]]> By: RoadKnight http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-222 RoadKnight Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:59:39 +0000 http://randomcommands.com/2006/11/18/must-post/#comment-222 Jesus was indeed answering a different question. John 3:9 says, <i>Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?</i> It is after this question that Jesus talks about the only begotten Son. Now, I'm not an expert, but my reading of this is that salvation comes from belief, faith, trust, and love in and of Jesus. All else is <i>in response to</i> our salvation. Once saved, we get baptized (a visible and outward manifestation of our salvation and repentance), are granted the Holy Spirit (ie - baptized by the Spirit), and do good works. NOTE: Except for salvation itself, none of these are in any particular order. Hopefully, as I get into John and study it closer, I'll gain more insight. Jesus was indeed answering a different question. John 3:9 says, Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? It is after this question that Jesus talks about the only begotten Son.

Now, I’m not an expert, but my reading of this is that salvation comes from belief, faith, trust, and love in and of Jesus. All else is in response to our salvation.

Once saved, we get baptized (a visible and outward manifestation of our salvation and repentance), are granted the Holy Spirit (ie - baptized by the Spirit), and do good works. NOTE: Except for salvation itself, none of these are in any particular order.

Hopefully, as I get into John and study it closer, I’ll gain more insight.

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